http://artofpoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#99900c72-af93-4a63-b5a5-f5f710cd7f36 We have been updating the version on Home of Poi: http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/886966 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:47:56 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#99900c72-af93-4a63-b5a5-f5f710cd7f36 Dyami 2009-06-04T12:47:56Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#ebceff35-93a1-473b-a735-26325f0fe9d3 This is pretty amazing. I have read half way through and have all ready learned so much. Also thanks for the line iso video, I have been looking for one. Wed, 06 May 2009 18:52:29 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#ebceff35-93a1-473b-a735-26325f0fe9d3 Dephect 2009-05-06T18:52:29Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#8f3eab09-61cc-4391-af0c-8ce715af986c I've spoken with Alien Jon. I've been going about this the wrong way. Stay tuned for updates Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:28:03 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#8f3eab09-61cc-4391-af0c-8ce715af986c Dyami 2009-04-26T10:28:03Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#5cd5a1c9-65c5-49a4-b2ca-fd5dd42c7813 "The One (spinner) gives birth to the Two (poi). The Two gives birth to the Three (the relationship between the One and the Two). And from the Three flows the 10,000 things." The Tao of Poi =) Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:35:36 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#5cd5a1c9-65c5-49a4-b2ca-fd5dd42c7813 James 2009-04-25T19:35:36Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#303de4d8-0d0a-4ec7-805b-9ae5593cb183 I have not found an ideal platform to make a actual wiki yet but what I am doing in the mean time is using a public account on the Home of Poi forums. I set it up so that we could give the log in information to anyone who wanted to help contribute directly. I would love if some of the people here on Tribe came over there to help. I am also working with Nick Cann from the Fire Garden (http://www.thefiregarden.com/) to see if we can add a collaboration feature to posts which will essentially turn it into a wiki. There has been a lot of feedback saying that the family of moves section is not as important as the fundamental concepts. I am working on a way to redesign the theory to go in that direction. I still haven't given up on having a categorization of moves with descriptions and ways of learning them but I will think of a way to incorporate that more into the concepts. So the question now is, What is the Poi Theory of Everything? What are the fundamental elements of the art form that tie it all together? How do we consolidate these items together in a way that will streamline all the different poi concepts? Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:21:39 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#303de4d8-0d0a-4ec7-805b-9ae5593cb183 Dyami 2009-04-25T18:21:39Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#3eba0d06-bcfa-40bc-9b6c-b7dd052c947f A quick response: I totally feel you on the idea of an object manipulation wiki. I've had a few conversations with other spinners revolving around the idea of something similar to a wiki in that it utilizes group editing functions but include more types of media than wikipedia does and allow users to vote on the relevance of it--the concept here is that you can have a page that describes a move or technique accompanied by a video that does what the community would deem to be a textbook demonstration of that trick or concept. As for the theory you've listed above, it looks fairly comprehensive and I've every intention of reading through the whole thing and sending some feedback but even at this stage I'd say that while I think a comprehensive list of every trick and technique is a great goal, I'm even more motivated to find ways of consolidating these different items together to streamline different poi concepts together. You might already be going there but I think ultimately it will help people to learn as the vast vocabulary of poi can be hugely intimidating to people just learning it. I'm definitely interested in the concept of this--do you have access to any developers who could help materialize such a thing? Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:51:54 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#3eba0d06-bcfa-40bc-9b6c-b7dd052c947f Drex 2009-04-25T15:51:54Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#45ca3104-607f-4eeb-afd0-59f850d94f27 I was not planning to post this on Wikipedia because I heard Wikipedia has restrictions on what sort of information can be in their articles. But i will look into that. I was also thinking that since we cannot edit posts on tribe it is not worth bringing tribe into the project. So far the version on the Home of Poi forum looks the most promising. If anyone is interested in collaborating there, pm me and I'll give you the login information. I am going to work on redesigning the theory with a structure which is more based on the fundamental concepts being the focus. In cases where we do still refer to moves or families of movements, I'll include them as how they fall under the more fundamental elements they are based on. Things like genres, categories, and families of movements are all extremely blurry around their edges. Nothing ever fits under only one label and everything crosses over, life is to complex. I recognize that this project will take a long time to reach a clean stable state and hope that it will never stop growing. It is definitely to big for me to do on my own. Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:22:59 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#45ca3104-607f-4eeb-afd0-59f850d94f27 Dyami 2009-04-25T08:22:59Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#45d5a25d-c7a9-40c7-ade7-c94fdf2472ff Were you thinking to put this up on wikipedia.org? I see links to it. The existing poi page on wikipedia could use some updating and conceptually it seems like a good place to have it. good luck! Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:21:29 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#45d5a25d-c7a9-40c7-ade7-c94fdf2472ff dekichan 2009-04-24T13:21:29Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#cf6cdb00-19ab-46d9-bfea-c3a08a6313c7 Consolidating knowledge is a noble goal, not to mention a massive undertaking (that's the longest post that I've not finished reading so far!). Considering that one of the most attractive features of object manipulation is its capacity for infinite possibilities, it is possible that this project may never end. In systems theory (kinda like the science of nonlinear thinking, i'm not sayin you don't know that already, just sayin...), understanding the relationships between the parts (the parts of the art form itself, like weave, butterfly, timing, direction, isolations, hybrids, movement, flow, etc.) is more important than understanding the parts themselves (not that the parts are unimportant, but that they are secondary because they are infinite in number and interchangable). I'm not saying that a neverending poi wiki wouldn't be cool. I'm just sayin that the complexity of such a project might benefit from a systems thinking perspective. =) Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:19:09 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#cf6cdb00-19ab-46d9-bfea-c3a08a6313c7 James 2009-04-23T23:19:09Z http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#deaec6a3-ec8c-4db2-adf5-e73ae4c90dd7 So, as the plan is now, this thread has the potential to get messy since we can't edit posts. I am going to pitch anyways and see what happens. I also have a version of this on my profile page which I can edit, as well as on Home of Poi (http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/886843.html#Post886843), and The Fire Garden (http://www.thefiregarden.com/forum/topics/poi-theory-of-everything-an) This is a project I want everyone's help and opinions on. If anyone has any further ideas, descriptions, learning advice and methods, diagrams, photos, videos, links, et cetera, please contribute. Ideally, I want to make some sort of single wiki that we can communally use to consolidate all existing poi knowledge. My idea is to create a structured way for the global poi community to all collaborate on an ongoing written Unified Poi Theory of Everything. It is inspired by the theory in physics that all matter and energy can be explained by understanding the link between the four known most basic forms of energy. I want to do something similar with poi. I want to see the art of poi separated into it's fundamental elements, then explain the way it all works and connects using a continually evolving, community sustained, multimedia pool of information. All the information already exists. Most of it is even already written out or filmed on the various discussion forums, articles, and videos. I want us now to take all that information and consolidate it. Some drawbacks I see for this are that first of all, people will argue a lot over terminology, but in the end this may help establish more of a standardization, which is good. Secondly, Everyone seems to think about poi differently. We all have somewhat different ways of understanding the various concepts within the art and this project may help establish more of a standardization, but I don't know how I feel about that. I don't want to affect the way people think without knowing what I am doing and then end up creating limitations for them. If we set this knowledge in stone beginners may not have as much of an incentive anymore to go develop their own understanding. I have learned a tremendous amount from the work I've done already of my own version of the Theory and I am hesitant about possibly taking that journey away from younger poi artists. While I recognize that there are different types of learners, I think overall the best way to learn is to discover something for ourselves rather then studying what other people have found. When people read this I advise that they not blindly accept my word as undisputed truth. You will gain the most in the long run if you take the time to truly understand these concepts on your own, with only as much guidance from your teachers as is necessary for you to take your next step. Here is what I have so far: - -- - - --- - -- - - ---- - --- - -- - - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - The answer to all poi: All poi is on it's fundamental level based on the three geometric planes: sagittal, coronal and transverse. In poi we commonly refer to these as side/wheel, wall, and horizontal. Essentially all the movements of poi exist as ways of traveling within and changing between these planes. The poi can spin in either same direction or opposite direction. In the side plane we refer to same direction as forwards (the poi are a wheel and you are rolling forwards) or backwards (you are rolling backwards). In the wall plane we refer to opposite direction as overhand (the poi are coming down your mid-line) or underhand (the poi are coming up your mid-line). Two basic timings are same time and split time. In same time the poi both hit the down beat at the same time. In split time the poi hit the down beat at alternating times. In opposite direction spit time is same time turned 90 degrees. Beats are commonly counted as the moment when the poi are closest to the ground. Ways of crossing an axis of a plane (your body) There are three basic methods for changing direction with poi and those same methods can be used to change planes. One is plane bending, where the poi drift from one plane to another. The second is with stalls. When stalls are done on the intersections of planes, they can go either back into the plane they came from, or move onto the intersecting plane. The third method is to use wraps. There are four variations of wraps: Centers of rotation ways of crossing the axis of a plane (your body) - poi crossing, body turning - full range of movement exercise - rotation -- centers of rotation - isolation - linear isolation - extensions - linear extension - flowers - fountains - anti spin -- inversions - in swings -- atomics -- Polyrhythmics -- hybrids -- behind the back -- transitions -- interaction - partner moves -- dance and performance concepts -- contact poi - - reels - - pendulums - - under the legs - - tangles - - tosses - - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - construction methods: sock poi: - Fill two 16inch balloons with enough rice so they are a comfortable weight (I like somewhere between 120-150 grams). - Put those at the bottom of some long socks. - The sock material should preferably be strong, soft, very slightly stretchy, and have a little bit of friction. I also like them to be bright colors so that they are easy to see. - The general rule for length is that while holding the handle, the poi should reach to somewhere between your elbow and shoulder or alternatively the distance from your hand to the middle of your calf. this way they will generally not hit the ground or your chest. * Instructions on how to make sock poi by Nick Woolsey here: playpoi.com/how-to-make-sock-poi Other options such as attaching weighted handles (this is especially important for doing contact poi with socks). - To attach weighted handles fill two 12inch balloons with enough sand so that they fit comfortably in your hand (i like around 30-40 grams, about one third the weight of your poi head) - Place those in the socks at where you want your handles to be, twist and fold the excess sock above the handle balloon down over the handle and secure with a rubber band below. - Loop handles are nice to prevent unintentional tosses (I like my handles to be large enough so that they fit over my wrist). - Rope can be good for the tether section of the poi as long as it fits the same material conditions as socks, is not too thick, and is flexible . Strings are common but they are often too narrow in my opinion. - Swivels are good to have because they prevent excessive twisting up. - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - Concepts: -- Anti-spin: Poi spin in opposite direction as the arms. -- Beats (weave, corkscrew, windmill): Commonly counted as the moment when the poi are closest to the ground. Determined by how many spins the poi make before the pattern repeats. -- Behind the back moves: almost everything that can be done in front of the body can be done behind the body -- Cat-eye: -- Center of rotation: The point around which the poi or pattern is spinning. -- Combinations of moves: -- Compound circles (flower patterns and fountains): A multi-beat separation in which the poi make smaller circles within a larger circle. Poi continue to spin around the hands while arms move in extensions; smaller center of rotation (at hand) moves around a larger center of rotation (at shoulder). "Flowers" are compound circles in which the arms are split time, where as "fountains" are same time. With clean split time both poi will pass the arms at the same time. Opening the body up to each side helps. Count the petals rather then the arm locations. -- Contact poi: set of moves in which the poi handle is not in contact with the palm of the hand -- Changing direction (and planes): stalls, plane bending, wraps -- Crossing the axis of a plane (your body): In a basic two beat body cross (which reels are based on), poi go through the same bent figure eight motion regardless of what plane it is done in. The arms however have to bend in different ways depending on what axis you are crossing. I recommend spending anywhere from a few weeks figuring our how many different ways your hands move, including how your elbows and wrists rotate. -- Dance and performance: speed, timing, levels, foot work, facial expression, posture, body position, arm position, Rhythm, body alignment, awareness, technique, focus, emotional protrayal, -- Direction: Same direction or Opposite direction. For side plane the poi move either forwards (the poi are a wheel and you are rolling forwards) or backwards (you are rolling backwards). In the wall plane the poi are moving either overhand (the poi are coming down your mid-line) or underhand (the poi are coming up your mid-line). -- Extensions (unit circle and long arm): unit circle - hand traces the path of an isolation while the poi head moves in extension. long arm - entire arm moves with the poi, putting the center of rotation at the shoulder. -- Foundational concepts: -- Foundational moves: -- Freedom of movement and expression: -- Isolations: the handle and head of your poi move on the same circle around a center of rotation in the middle of the poi. Practice holding just one poi stretched between both hands, and rotating it a circle. It feels like your pedaling a bicycle with your hands. Focus on keeping each hand next to the other poi head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5TfLSMr8QE -- Levels (ground to air and everything in-between. leaps and rolls): -- Linear extension: -- Linear (handle) isolation: -- Line isolation/ linear head isolation: poi head moves in a straight line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wglh1Tqncn4 -- Negative space: comes from painting, referring to the white space in a picture which also makes a shape if you get rid of what's around it. For poi, its about having the poi travel through a shape you made. so maybe you make a simple circle with the poi and then have it travel through it via plane bending. inside arm circles also qualify as negative space moves. -- Planes: A sagittal (wheel) plane is a vertical plane dividing the body into left and right portions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal_plane. A coronal (wall) plane is a vertical plane that divides the body into anterior and posterior (front and back) sections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_plane. A transverse (horizontal) plane divides the body into superior and inferior parts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transverse_plane. All of our movements techniques are simply various ways of moving within, and changing between these planes. The axis of the three planes are cross points. These axis can be moved to give us different sub-planes which things like the buzzsaw, and air-wraps are on. Moves which many people consider to be the "basic" set like weaves and reels are based on the deeper fundamental principals of crossing these axis. The poi themselves sit on "tracks" (as Nick Woolsey calls them) to the sides of the axis. Then there are also the relative planes which move depending on what direction you are facing. Any move can be done in any plane. A weave, for example is not defined as a side plane move. Thinking of it that way is actually incredibly limiting and if it where true we wouldn't have access to a huge range of movement. A weave is a spit-time move in which the wrists wind up on one side of an axis, then unwind on the other. Weaves done in the wall plane give us things like waist wraps and the weave fountain. When they are done in the horizontal plane they give us things like corkscrews. A different example are air-wraps. A basic two beat air-wrap moves the axis (cross point) of a plane away from the original mid-line of the body (Just like weaves, tangles are based on another fundamental concept of winding up on one side of a plane, then crossing the axis to unwind). -- Plane bending: poi drift from one plane to another -- Plane control (how to maintain and bend): -- Rotation: turning from side to side (180) or all the way around (360). Basic turn: as you turn around cross the poi to the other side of your body. Carry Turn: place the poi in a fixed point relative to your body and pirouette 180-360. -- Stalls: Spectrum of stalls: vertical down (vD), horizontal underhand (hU), vertical up (vU), and horizontal overhand (hO) from vertical regular spin, vD, hU, vU, and hO from vertical anti spin, horizontal from horizontal spin, plane bending stalls. These can be done in any combination of plane, timing, and direction. Spectrum of stall combinations with both poi: Once the head reaches the quadrant point just before the one you want to stall in, move your hand to that point and follow the straight line path of the poi. In geometric terms, a stall is a tangent line of the circle so doing isolations or extensions in the beat preceding the stall will help make them cleaner. After the stall reaches it's peak, tug the poi back in the direction they came from (if it is an up stall, tug it down) and from there either go back in the opposite direction, continue on in the original directions, or change planes. a stall is a three dimensional shape. Think about a simple two dimensional up stall. The path that it makes is kind of like a "J". Take that "J curve" of the stall path and spin it around the Y-axis (vertical axis) to make a three dimensional sort of parabolic cone like shape. This three dimensional parabolic cone with j-curve sides models all the possible paths of a stall. That is why stalls can be used to change planes and direction. To do the plane bending/point isolation stalls we are moving in a momentary point isolation while stalling. Since the center of rotation becomes a single point at the head it allows us to move the handle end of our poi to any new position within the sphere, within the duration of the stall. One example is to start by spinning underhand (poi coming up your mid line) butterfly in the front wall plane. Go as if you were going to do an up stall but as the poi begin to move towards the stall point, bring your handles up with the heads so that the poi end up curving away from you and by the middle of the stall your entire poi are horizontal. Then pull the stall back down in the other direction just as you would an up stall by bringing everything back down your mid line into the flat wall plane. -- Transitions:Everything is everything is a different direction (simplified). All poi moves share common positions with other poi moves. The essence of transitioning from one pattern to another is finding those common positions. A simple example is changing between forwards and backwards weave. In both forwards and backwards weaves the poi go through a point where they are unwound and on the same side (I call that position lock-out). From that neutral position the poi can be taken in either direction. Another example I like is transitioning with stalls. Vertical stalls can be done from both same-time, same direction spinning and from same-time, opposite-direction spinning. -- Alien Jon's unit circle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOlCZMFIBMI -- Aeon's unit sphere: -- Timing: same time - poi hit the down beat at the same time. split time - hit the down beat at alternating times (one hits down beat while other hits up). opposite direction spit time is same direction rotated vertically 90 degrees. -- Variations: -- Wraps: A wrap is where some length of the poi encircle some part of the body. In a basic head wrap the poi -- Wrapping up: hold fingers out so poi cord can wrap, spin in the other direction to unwrap. crossing to the other side of the body is the same effect as changing direction. - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - Exercises: - Planes: Spin slowly to let poi fall. try to feel the weight of the poi and where the moments of tug and suspension are. spin against a wall or in a narrow hallway, - Use cross points for weaves - Move across the floor: find the ground, reach for the roof, leave floor, emulate characters (ninja, ooze, wind, birds, forces of nature, etc.), forget about the poi (see what you can do without thinking about it to much), be silly, be dramatic, be nonchalant, be energetic/ exuberant, be sacred, experiment with speeds, levels, directions, distances and positioning of body parts, - Spectrum of major stalls (vertical down, horizontal underhand, vertical up, horizontal overhand) in wall plane, side plane, same direction and opposite direction, from regular and anti-spin, the stalls out of horizontal plane, plane bending stalls, - Spectrum of range of movement: leave poi in one location as you turn your body around. poi goes from - Crossed around the front to the back in wall plane, Crossed in side plane, Uncrossed in wall plane, Uncrossed in side plane, Uncrossed behind the back in wall plane, Crossed behind the back in side plane, Crossed around the back to the front in wall plane - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - Foundational concepts: planes, cross points, direction, timing, centers of rotation, Foundational moves: reel, lockout, weave, butterfly, thread the needle, corkscrew, buzzsaw, air-wraps, stalls, crossers, wrap, toss, Major variations: forwards/overhand, backwards/underhand, same time, split time, vertical, horizontal, anti-spin, extensions, isolated, rotation (pirouettes, barrel rolls, spinning around really fast 180-360+ degrees), poly-rhythmic, fountain, atomic, inverted, linear isolation, linear extension, hyper extension, line isolation, under the legs, behind the back, pendulums, floats, windmill, spiral wrap, wibble, hyper-loop - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - Vocabulary and Acronyms: Vocabulary and Acronyms: Side/wheel Plane (SP) - left, right Wall Plane (WP) - front, back Horizontal Plane (HP) - above arms, below arms Same Direction (SD) Opposite Direction (OD) Same Time (SaT) Split Time (SpT) Fountain: the initial pattern moves in a larger circle (this includes flowers) Behind the Back (btb) Back to Back (BtoB) - - -- - --- - ---- - ----- - ------ - ----- - ---- - --- - -- - - Families of Movements: --Weaves: forwards, backwards, extensions, 2/3/5/7+ beat, butterfly weave, isolated weave, fountain (chasing the sun), behind the back, above head (vertical), lockouts - bring poi apart between the "over" and "under" beats (then isolate that), archers - one arm extended and other poi at shoulder, inside weave (poi come between the arms for a beat), waist wrap (180 rotations back and forth in the wall plane, in front or BtB), 180 rotation, 360 rotation, atomic weaves (perpendicular vertical planes, inside weave, side plane with horizontal plane), not 1.5 beat weave (from three beat weave, poi meet and travel together for half a rotation. high pendulum on crossed or uncrossed side), Build up/description ~ split time move where poi cross each other. forwards: (hand one) over-under-back-, (hand two) under-back-over-. backwards: under-over-back- --Butterflies: overhand, underhand, same time, split time (wicks meet at sides instead of at top and bottom), extensions (entire arm moves with poi in butterfly motion), thread the needle/ punch through/pet the arm hair (2-7 beat), one handed, behind head (top hand leads so becomes bottom behind head. move hands like you are swinging an ax), neck wrap, butterfly weaves, isolated, behind the back (keep elbows and palms turned up), waist wrap, air-wrap, hyperloop, Build up/description ~ poi spin opposite direction, with hands next to each other in the same plane. same time: one hand is on top of the other and the hands bob up and down. split time: hands bob side to side. --Flowers (aka compound circles. poi continue to spin around the hands while arms move in extensions. smaller center of rotation (at hand) moves around a larger center of rotation (at shoulder). with clean split time both poi will pass the arms at the same time. opening the body up to each side helps. count the petals rather then the hand positions.): plus petals, diagonal petals, wall plane, wheel plane, opposites, same direction, same-spin, anti-spin, Olle's triple composites, 3-8 petals, triquetras, atomics, Build up/description ~ extend out in one direction at a time (i.e. forward-backward, up-down) and hold the spin there, go from one petal position to another. --Lockout: done in split time, same direction, with both poi on same side of body. hold one poi further away from your body so that they are on parallel planes. hold hands wide enough apart so the closer poi will not hit your other arm. poi pass each other when horizontal between your arms, one going up and the other going down. --Reels : hip, shoulder, same time, split time, same direction, opposite direction, crossers, meltdown, windmill (above head), Build up/description ~ a two beat move where the poi are always on different sides of the body. They can be done in any direction, timing, or plane. Start by spinning both poi forwards same-time in your side plane for a few beats. Then turn around so that your poi are now spinning backwards same time (Remember that the poi do not change direction relative to their position in space, it is only you that has turned around. If someone had to be watching you do this from down stage the poi would keep doing the same thing regardless of which way you are facing. Some people get confused by that). Turn back the same way you came from to end up again in forwards. Repeat process until comfortable. Next do this by only turning your upper body to your right and left and leaving your feet planted. You want your poi to always stay on opposite sides of your body. Repeat until comfortable. Next do this by only bringing your poi in front of and behind you, leaving your body stationary. When you bring your poi to your back side wall plane it is easier if turn your elbow outwards. Repeat until comfortable. Next do this by crossing your poi from front to back every beat. Next is to repeat that whole process in the other direction, so say if you where spinning forwards on your right side, change it so that you are spinning forwards on your left and backwards on your right. Next is, on the up swing of your poi (what ever side that is) bring your poi up to your shoulders and repeat the whole process. Next, do all that with the poi spinning opposite directions. --Windmills/Pinwheel: extensions (full and half), 360 (pirouette), 180 (half turn), 4 beat, fountain (using 4 beats, high behind head, low in front), isolated Build up/description ~ a split time same direction reel above head, same motion as the corkscrew but vertical instead of horizontal. poipoi.info/tuition/tuition-windmill.php --Crossers: same direction, opposite direction, behind the back, inverted (Straightjacket), crosser pirouette/360, arms on opposite sides of body, fountain, 360 fountain/ barrel roll, Build up/description ~ poi swing from front to back with arms crossed. use the sway of your body rather then moving your arms. --Corkscrews: same direction (h. windmill), opposite direction (h. butterfly), 4 beat, extensions (fully extended arms, arms up at right angels, hands meeting above head, arms crossed, one arm crossed, arm flapping - helix), TTN, matrix, spiral wrap, open (hands apart, more of a reel), closed (hands together, more of a two beat weave) Build up/description ~ poi spin horizontally, crossing above and below arms. start by bringing one poi up first and then follow it with the other. --Buzzsaws: vertical, horizontal, isolated, fountains (moves in a circle on the wall plane), summersalt, inverted, spiral wrap, behind the back, under the leg, Build up/description ~ --Wraps: basic wraps (head wrap. on thigh from vertical, shin from horizontal, arm, wrists), other arm, same arm, other wrist, spiral wraps (entire length of poi wraps. at hands, one at wrist, at fingers), butterfly spiral wrap, horizontal spiral wrap, horizontal spiral wrap around ankle, buzzsaw spiral wrap, horizontal body wraps (poi wrap horizontally around waist), through wraps/carryovers (poi wind up on one side and unwind on the other without changing direction. multiple beats follow a similar principle.) Build up/description ~ --Partners: face-to-face, back-to-face, back-to-back, cross-stance, side-by-side interlocking moves split to each side (each partner does one side/hand of a move): weaves (in wall plane at each side, opposite or same direction, same or spit time), thread the needle (in side plane at each side), spiral wraps in side plane, spiral wraps in wall plane, buzzsaw spiral wraps, hyperloops (wall plane), air-wraps, corkscrew, inside 4 beat weave (facing, poi cross around each other: butterfly, butterfly shoulder-hip reels, same direction shoulder-hip reels 180 around each other, corkscrew matrix, arm wraps, stall around each other: vertical stalls into butterfly hug, skip and stall (step and spin twice then stall for two counts, reverse direction and repeat), stalls around arms in side plane (from same direction, same or split time - one partner stalls over arm while other stalls under arm. from opposite direction - one poi stalls over arm while other stalls under, partner does inverse), back to back: back to back weave (side planes), back to back weave (180 wall plane), face to face behind the back weave, face to face behind the back waist wrap (180 wall plane weave), back to back weave to front side waist wrap to trade places, buzzsaw back bend, thread the needle back bend, back to back horizontal buzzsaw rotating, barrel roll extension superimposed patterns ("standing one in front of the other, the front picks the pattern and the back does something to compliment it"): superimposed flower patterns, passing: tossing, pass from weave (one set), - Same direction partner weave (each of the partners are in same time to themselves, spit time to each other). Focusing on one partner at a time, one of their poi does Under-Over-Back while their other poi does Over-Under- Back. In the wall plane their poi are going the same direction but relative to the partner weave they are doing forwards on one side and backwards on the other. - Opposite direction partner weave. Over-Under-Back with one arm while the other arm does Under-Back-Over. - 180 degree rotation in the weave (with their arms sill around each other). Partner poi and improvised interaction. I want to see poi become interactive the way social dances such as salsa, waltz, and tango are. Where dancers come onto the floor all knowing the same moves and cues as each other and can play in that same kind of close proximity. Build up/description ~ --Contact poi: tosses (backwards from backwards SP, forwards from backwards SP, horizontal from backwards SP, under the arm in WP, behind back WP, horizontal from horizontal), wibbles, propellers (traveling - head to handle, sustained), snags (hold head and handle of one poi creating a loop which holds handle of other poi), whip catch (toss one poi and tangle it with the other. "Suggested prerequisites: To be very comfortable with air-wraps and throws. To get into a whip-catch, it's similar to an air-wrap - but one poi is flying through the air when you make contact. To get out of it, keep experimenting with different throws, different speeds, different cross-points of the two poi, etc... to find out how/where the tangle comes undone, and how to control it. You're normally best off starting in same direction, split time (as with an air-wrap)."), tangles to one handle tosses (tangle poi, let go of one handle and swing out), Build up/description ~ family of moves in which the poi leave the hand. homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/395111/ --Tangles: air-wraps (from lockout, from butterfly. can be done from outside to inside or from inside to outside. They tangle and then untangle, there is no point in which your are tied up and cannot come out, if you do a continuous airwrap, it tangles then untagles every beat. As arashi says, theres no polar point.), hyperloops (horizontal side to side, front to back, vertical side to side, up and down, split time same direction, same time opposite direction, split time opposite direction. Air-wrap on one side of your body, bring the nexus (tangle point) across an axis, and then continue on to the other side of your body to let the poi unwind. It is the same principle as with any concept in poi that you wind up on one side and unwind on the other. An air-wrap in the wall plane (in the simplest sense) is a two beat tangle that moves from outside to inside. A hyperloop takes that tangle and moves it a further distance before letting it unwind on the other side.), btb hyperloops, orbitals, whip catch (toss one poi and snag it with the other), Build up/description ~ with any tangle, the poi need to be on slightly atomic/perpendicular planes in order to intersect. Tangles are much easier when both sides of the nexus (tangle point) are equal because then the momentum of each poi is even, marking the center of the poi will help with this. In order for your poi to intersect, each poi has to be on a slightly different (perpendicular) plane from each other so that they will be able to cross each other's path --Stalls: Spectrum of stalls: vertical down (vD), horizontal underhand (hU), vertical up (vU), and horizontal overhand (hO) from vertical regular spin, vD, hU, vU, and hO from vertical anti spin, horizontal from horizontal spin, plane bending stalls. These can be done in any combination of plane, timing, and direction. Spectrum of stall combinations with both poi: same direction same time, same direction split time (inside, outside, crossed), opposite direction (inside, outside, heads meeting, hands meeting), corners w/ mix of h and v meeting outside from opposite direction or inside from split time same direction, from buzzsaw (hands meeting), kick stalls, pendulums, floats, plane bending, Build up/description ~ Once the head reaches the quadrant point just before the one you want to stall in, move your hand to that point and follow the straight line path of the poi. In geometric terms, a stall is a tangent line of the circle so doing isolations and extensions in the beat preceding the stall will help make them cleaner. After the stall reaches it's extent, tug back to go the opposite direction. Stalls can also be used to transition between planes. To do the plane bending/point isolation stalls we are moving in a momentary point isolation while stalling. Since the center of rotation becomes a single point at the head it allows us to move the handle end of our poi to any new position within the sphere, within the duration of the stall. One example is to start by spinning underhand (poi coming up your mid line) butterfly in the front wall plane. Go as if you were going to do an up stall but as the poi begin to move towards the stall point, bring your handles up with the heads so that the poi end up curving away from you and by the middle of the stall your entire poi are horizontal. Then pull the stall back down in the other direction just as you would an up stall by bringing everything back down your mid line into the flat wall plane. --Pendulums: low, high, extension (opposite/same direction), 1.5s (hybrid of pendulums and regular spins. one unit circle apart (poi heads meet), zero units apart (hands together)), btb 1.5, waistwrap 1.5, butterfly 1.5, pendulum hybrids Build up/description ~ poi swing back and forth without making a full circle around the hand --Under the legs: stalls (from same and opposite direction, same or spit time), from behind (SP or WP), from in front(SP or WP), box step, box step (same side), one under, both under, Build up/description ~ --Acrobatics: leaps (follow the up beat of the poi. windmill, corkscrew, one poi under legs vertical, one under legs horizontal), cartwheels (spin poi same time horizontally in one hand), Build up/description ~ --Polyrhythmics: speed-bumps, thread the needle (done with forwards poi), Build up/description ~ each hand does a different number of spins in same cycle. i.e. hybrids --Hybrids: 3-5 petaled anti-spin-extension (poi opposite direction, hands same time-direction. The triquetra hybrid threads (meaning poi change which hand is on top) twice), same direction isolation with extension (hands same time-direction), one handed Trifoil-extension, Build up/description ~ poi do different things. isolation-extension, anti spin-extension, isolation-anti-spin, isolation-cat-eye, cat-eye-extension, pendulum-extension, pendulum-anti spin, --Inversions: vertical buzzsaw, horizontal buzzsaw, butterfly, crossers Build up/description ~ --Atomics: weaves (inside vertical, vertical, vertical with horizontal), flowers (vertical arms atomic- vertical poi atomic (wall plane and side plane), vertical arms parallel -horizontal poi parallel), Box (each poi is at 90 degrees to the other but the centers of rotation are separated enough so that the paths of the poi only meet at the edges of their circles i.e. as if the two circles were sides of a box. http://www.spherculism.net/poidia/view_term.php?term=4), Build up/description ~ any move in which each poi is spinning in a plane at 90 degrees to that of the other poi http://www.spherculism.net/poidia/select_term.php Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:51:14 GMT http://ArtOfPoi.tribe.net/thread/5a24825b-ed67-4ec5-9efe-5fb3e92ff4f5#deaec6a3-ec8c-4db2-adf5-e73ae4c90dd7 Dyami 2009-04-23T10:51:14Z