Poi, style, and you.

topic posted Sun, April 27, 2008 - 12:19 PM by  John
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Good afternoon!

I have been a practitioner of Poi for about two to three years. My Poi has gotten much better within the past year. Recently I have been mixing in styles of Tai Chi forms (Majority the Sun Style), Wu Shu stances, and Ballroom Dancing. Now, mixing these forms of movement is giving me a pathway to a whole new world. I have been performing at corporal events and parties because of it. And I'll even be teaching at a school come this summer. My goal is to spread inspiration and happiness through movement and manipulation.

Join me.

What do you do with your Poi? (I.E. Martial Arts, Dance, Nothing) ? What do you like about Poi?

I've been mixing in fusions of dancing and Martial Arts stances with stalls, and I say this with complete confidence - It is magnificently gorgeous. SIDENOTE: I think stalls are extremely underestimated in the art form that is Poi, and when experimented with, you can find wonderful combinations.

I just want to hear your style, and what you enjoy seeing. So let's hear it! ;)

With happiness,

Sunshine Performer
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John
New York City
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  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:19 PM
    I've only been spinning for a few months, and have been able to work in several middle eastern style movements. I also want to teach eventually. Our city's parks and rec. dept. is probably where I'll start. Either that or small group lessons at my home. We'll see.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Mon, April 28, 2008 - 2:56 PM
    Your style sounds fascinating. Do you have any vids of you performing? I'd love to see how all the pieces you mentioned fit together.
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Mon, April 28, 2008 - 3:38 PM
      Thank you, Drex.

      I would love to say "Yes, here they are!! -----" yet, unfortunately I don't. I am busy working on finding a performing troupe, and I'm coming up with a new routine, and at the same time getting down my contact juggling (dual 4 ball pyramid.. It's killing me!) and trying to purchase a new set of Double Staves (I have considered Salza.se's 100cm glow staff, any advice?). I apologize, friend, but I'll come up with a video soon enough.

      With happiness,

      Sunshine Performer
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:25 PM
      Hey drex,
      Long time no hear from. Our dear friend who started this post, John , is actually in NYC and is waiting for the next poi meet up (whenever that is). So soon enough you will see his style. He's awesome.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 4:21 PM
    I've been trying to fuse poi with bellydance which has proven extremely challenging!
    But I love the journey and have learned much in my attempts.

    What I like to see in other poi performances is grace and confidence. I love it when the artist is just flowing... whatever style you choose, poi is a beautiful extension and it makes me happy!
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:20 PM
      Lovely post, Danya. The flow of Poi, regardless of it's journey, is gorgeous. I have surprisingly never heard of Poi and Bellydance being fused together. Great combination =) Best of wishes to you, friend.

      With happiness,

      Sunshine Performer
      • Re: Poi, style, and you.

        Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:49 PM
        Fire and flag poi are showing up all over the belly dancing community. A local belly dance troupe want me to help them with fire poi. And another local troupe have been using fire poi for a while now. I'm sure you haven't heard the last of belly dance and poi. :o)
        • Re: Poi, style, and you.

          Wed, April 30, 2008 - 1:05 PM
          Oh really? I've heard of combinations with Hula Hoops and Bellydancing (Way to bring up the obvious, right?), but Poi I haven't seen. Thanks for the heads up, though.

          Since we've brought up the topic of Flag Poi, am I the only one who thinks they are extremely difficult to dance with? I can dance and flow very comfortably with my Poi. But with Flags, there's no weight to it! It's lighter than glowsticks!! I bought myself a pair (they're unusually expensive) they look beautiful, and I've gotten used to the weight, but at first I was so confused. I thought they forgot to give me a weight on the end of my flag or something!

          Also, what about the rare fire arts? I've seen fire Tai Chi swords, fire sai, fire kamas, fire axes and much more. I've been really curious, since I've been into martial arts for many, many years. Also!! Bull whips!! I saw these recently, and oh my lord! Talk about beautiful. The person stood still and all, but it has so much potential. I love the way it looks. Any bull whippers willing to talk about putting more movement into it?

          With happiness,

          Sunshine Performer
          • Re: Poi, style, and you.

            Tue, May 20, 2008 - 1:59 PM
            Intriguing that I would find you here Sunshine =) ( It's Mireneye ) Awesome thread here I will write here later with my take on style. Right now It's really late.

            I'll give a brief idea of my goals tho:

            Emotions and feelings: Above my ambition to control poi perfectly or to actually dance with them, I want to provoke emotions and feelings through them & the musical piece I'm playing to. And I find that many different types of dance and many types of body movement takes me closer to that so the dance becomes a natural step towards provoking emotion through the art.

            Lately i've been working with things like archiving a sense of drama, but on my list are also things like horror and action as well. I've come to understand certain "moves" or concept of moves apply to different "characters" that these individual emotionally provoking needs in order to actually archive the effect.

            So through combining a song with an emotion or several, with a set of body and poi movements( sometimes planned sometimes spontaneous ) through a character, present my style.

            OH MY... I think thats enough already haha. =)
            • Re: Poi, style, and you.

              Wed, May 21, 2008 - 1:32 PM
              Oh no, friend, please, I would love to further discuss this.

              I find myself working more on combining the Poi as if it were an extension of the arm. This thought help me work through Poi, adding Tai Chi movements, and peaceful moves. It helped me understand it a lot more.

              What interests me about your post is something I am working on now - Your mentioning of emotion through Poi.

              Currently, what I am working on is moving in certain ways with the Poi, creating appearances of angelic purity, or a certain take on a creature. It sounds quite corny, yes, I understand :) But I have been learning new ways to move with the Poi, instead of moving WITH it. I want to use the Poi like a Painter's brush, or a writer's pen, using it to convey a human emotion, and at the same time make those emotions from the past come back to them. Not as if I'm bringing them forgotten memories, no. More like reminding them of how they felt when they (insert memory of a particular emotion here). It's these movements that I pray will bring people happiness, or possible inspiration. Except, what I've been doing, is not combining song. I am practicing in silence currently, sometimes playing in front of a mirror, or just moving in ways that feel right. It's this silence that helps me move the way I want to, and give the same emotion I wish to give.

              Style, I think, is much more than appearance of the performance. It's the purity and the feeling of movement - giving Poi the universal equality of adequacy.

              With happiness,

              Sunshine Performer
          • Re: Poi, style, and you.

            Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:51 PM
            I really like my whip. (6ft) I found a way to put some poi moves into my whip and that really opened up alot more movement when i spin I really love the opening of the whip..The first snap is always the best and it scares the crap out of a crowd! And with poi I like to dance and move around I really like doing flowers cause of the pattern that it makes...also anything antispin.
          • Re: Poi, style, and you.

            Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:01 PM
            Do your flags have a small, thin weight at the outer corner-ends?

            Most of the one I have seen have been homemade, not purchased and all have had curtain weighting sewn into the out corners and partway down the two sides connected to those corners. I think that extra weight makes a big difference from unweighted fabric, as I have never had a problem (aside from getting them twisted like a dork) with getting flags to really "fly" and move quite easily. (And that's not from me having some kinda mad skills,'cause I don't. I think it's physics.)

            Maybe you could add weight to yours, if they're unweighted. Just a thought. Sounds like you might groove more with them if they swung more freely.
            • Re: Poi, style, and you.

              Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:22 AM
              Really?

              All of flags I've ever seen is just simply a certain material attached to a chain. The there's no weight on the corner, the chain pretty much serves as the weight, but it's simply not enough.

              With happiness,

              Sunshine Performer
              • Re: Poi, style, and you.

                Fri, May 23, 2008 - 11:47 AM
                It also depends on the weight of the fabric and the weight of the chain. We found that the chain weight needs to be at least double the entire weight of the cloth for the flags to really open up. With lightweight veils, this is usually pretty easy to accomplish, but with cotton weaves and such, yeah, more weight has to be added.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 10:28 PM
    I've oftfen wanted to take a dance or martial art to improve my movement with poi but never had the time sadly. Glad to see this style coming out I can't wait for a video. I usually just shake my booty chakra to my own style of dancing when I light up nothin special.

    I have been working on incorporating acrobalancing and poi together recently and it is amazing!!! Extremely challenging but definitely a work in progress. There was a troupe around Seattle called MagmaVOX that was doing it just to show an example of what I'm talkin about. They are amazing!!!

    www.youtube.com/watch

    Just a hint of it at the end but I can't wait to see what else can be done with it! If there's anyone in the Seattle area that wants to work with me on this too feel free to hit me up!

    Much carnie love,
    Lyndze~*
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 4:25 AM
      We should get some people who know capoeira to do this!! The beginning kind of opened my eyes for a different spinning with martial arts. I'll work on fire spinning like that in due time, I'm still constructing something new ^^ Ether way, wonderful video! I send my thanks!

      With happiness,

      Sunshine Performer
      • Re: Poi, style, and you.

        Thu, May 22, 2008 - 5:34 AM
        I wanna see!

        Get a video out there Sunshine =)

        I like the idea of working with poi more as an art tool then as a pattern machine. But I also like control in chaos, even if crazy chaos spinning with atomics and plane bends is a lot of fun. I plan to make a video with me just playing around with that kind of stuff just "painting a picture" haha =)
        • Re: Poi, style, and you.

          Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:50 PM
          I knowwww! I'll get one out there soon enough, you know? I've been extremely busy working with new patterns, and picking up some bounce juggling, meteoring (I'm getting better!! Mwahah!), some toss juggling (blech..), double staffing, and hooping.

          Toss juggling is fun, but I have to say, it's modern manipulation that has my interest :) There's so much more movement and purity about it. Either way, I believe toss juggling is a nice thing to have on the side.

          And I would totally agree, Mireneye. Playing with atomics, plane-bends, kooky stalls, it's all so much fun.

          To keep this thread alive, why don't you throw out what you think style is (in reference to Poi, ofcourse ;D). Because I don't expect you guys to want to blabber like I do, I'll go ahead and throw out my performance theory, whether you want to or not, it's cool. This performance theory was actually written yesterday. My English Teacher ran into me performing at a park with a bunch of people around. He ended up asking me if I could write a lecture about performing and Poi. This is what I wrote for the opening statement to give my definition of "Performing"

          "Performing isn’t just moving and dancing on a stage. It isn’t just making money for doing something as simple as “playing” with an object, so everyone would say to me. Performing is so much more than that… It is not the ability, but the opportunity to spread the beauty of what you love, inspiring people, and possibly influencing their lives. Depending on the emotion portrayed from the performance, it can remind people of those times that are connected with that emotion.

          I can’t help but to ask the question “where are the inventors of our generation?” I ask this because we need those people. We need to be reminded of our potential as human beings. We need to be shown of our capabilities, and how they can be pushed, and with that we can learn new things. I hope to be an inventor - One of those people who can inspire people to new things. And I think being performer gives me the advantage. Being given the opportunity to share what I love doing on a stage, with tens, hundreds, or even thousands of people watching. The number is meaningless. All that matters is that one of those hundreds, or thousands, is inspired. This is my path to becoming that inventor.

          Performing doesn’t run in my blood. I don’t believe it is why I was born, and what I am meant to do in life. Instead, I think it is something I am breaking the chain for. It’s something that proves my commitment – having the will to change what generations of my family have done. That’s what makes performing such a special thing; it is the passion it requires. I am willing to do anything to perform, and be that person. I am willing to give my life if it meant me inspiring at least one person – to give them that passion. With performing, your passion is your tool. Your ability to show the feeling that your skills bring to you is the passion. And if you can show the audience that feeling, you have the ability to be the inventor. You have the ability to be the one to inspire and influence."

          With happiness,

          Sunshine Performer
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:07 PM
      Hrm, I moved away from Seattle a year ago, but I know Primary Element was doing a lot of that as well (acro + fire). It's a zeitgeist thing; more people are getting more into circus arts in general and we're seeing a lot more fusion of such things these days b/c of that.

      Do you ever go to SANCA? I am sure there are SANCA folks who are also fire folks who'd love to do acro + fire stuff.

      There are also some Seattle folks who infuse capoiera (sp?) in their fire performance. Jay & Graeme (who last I knew were working w/ Pyrosutra) are two I know of off the top of my head. It's *gorgeous*.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Fri, August 8, 2008 - 11:36 AM
    i personally use tai chi and yoga movements in my spinning techneque, though i have never taken tai chi alot of the movements come naturally. i have been a poi spinner for 6 years now and i need to learn to 'dance' more than just doing the moves
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Sat, August 9, 2008 - 3:50 PM
    I have been spinning "unlit" fire poi for about a month and about two weeks ago I lighted them with fire for the first time! It was amazing the first time to hear the sound of the flames and to see the jaws drop on all the people I was performing for on the beach. With my fire poi I plan on interpretive dancing and to just free style dance when any form of techno, house, trance, electronic, or ambient song plays.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Wed, August 13, 2008 - 9:05 PM
    I have been spinning for about two year. Your Tai Chi sounds like an intersting mix. I have been working on mixing Capoeira and just interpiative dance into my poi. I have been doing lots of flowing and spinning and you are absolutly correct stalls are wonderful to play with and look fantastic. My favorite one currently is out of the weave I stall one side over my other arm and keep the other spinning in a circle then I will pull the stalled poi up over the arm and then down and kick the stalled poi into butterfly. I just love the sensation of movement and the feeling of the poi flowing around and with me.
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Thu, August 14, 2008 - 11:12 AM
    Hey, nice topic!

    I mix a variety of dance styles with my poi depending on what type of music is playing, the occasion, etc. My personal favorite is a ballet-yoga-fusion, demonstrated here...

    www.youtube.com/watch

    <3 <3 <3
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Fri, August 22, 2008 - 3:54 PM
      I spin mostly tech, though if I can pick the music or its drumming I can do a little hippie dance and some footwork whiel I am spinning. I am to focused on the technical / trippy aspects of poi. Even after three years what I need to do is dance more like dance into a coccon and spin out into a crosser whiel dancing instead of being static like I am now.
      • Re: Poi, style, and you.

        Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:16 PM
        That sounds like a pretty apt description for me too. =P.

        I do think my background in yoga plays an influence. If I can remember not to just geek out on the techy stuff, I like to use wide stances with a slight squat. Kind of choosing a lower center of gravity. (It helps my hybrids). And the long arm stuff, stalls & turns....they all have a similar feel to some basic yoga postures.

        Hell of a lot faster though. :)
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Sat, August 23, 2008 - 7:51 AM
    Taking my cue from epic spinners like Ronan (Ireland) and Yuta (Japan), I've opted for a low, wide stance with a lot of Aikido-based footwork. My long arm extension (especially with things like hybrids and 1.5 variations) is modeled after some Tai Chi movements. I aim for graceful, grounded movement, keeping my economy of movement as high as possible and letting the poi give the illusion of speed. I'm currently working on building up my leg strength to be able to accommodate the level changes that Imakokode (France) puts into many of his performances which look really spiffy.

    I see poi as, first and foremost, a meditative practice. For me, it's almost like an anti-yoga - it's taking spacial awareness, extending it past the internal body, and dealing with the space that encompasses the full reach of the arms plus poi with the same level of focus and awareness that yogi's apply to their bodies. My goal is to be able to spin new moves as quickly as I can think of them, which allows for a level of a) confidence and b) spontaneity that is almost impossible to achieve in day to day life. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it :) Those blasted split time butterfly inward horizontal stalls from long-arm are currently my nemesis :P
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Fri, August 29, 2008 - 5:35 AM
    I have lost my style and I don't know what it is any more. I had found a home, some time ago, but now I'm lost again, in pursuit of that which is me.
    • Re: Poi, style, and you.

      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 6:41 AM
      that actually sounds exciting. :)
      • Unsu...
         

        Re: Poi, style, and you.

        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 10:06 AM
        "master, i forget all that you have taught...i sit, and i meditate, and now i can no longer remember what you taught me. i forget everything. i no longer remember who i am." laments the frustrated zen student.

        " now it is time for you to teach me." says the old master, with wide eyed excitement.
        • Unsu...
           

          Re: Poi, style, and you.

          Tue, September 2, 2008 - 3:13 PM
          ((the previous was in response to Pete))

          an undefinable style is a noble compliment..

          Baz's description sums me up pretty well also, my movement background being mostly martially oriented. i also am starting to focus more on dance, i move fluidly and with poise, but i kinda get stuck in the dramatic warrior thing too much. depends a lot on the music i am spinning to, i guess i tend to pick more dramatic music(TOOL) but when chance has it that i am spinning to hippy jam band music, i get dancier.

          i think Yuta has been my single biggest influence with poi style, there are so many i have learned from, or even just borrowed a trick or two, but beyond his physical grace and precision, he has a sense of timing within the dynamics of his overall performance that makes the whole thing comprehensive, digestable, and memorable.
          i like to light up with heavy wicks, no spin-off, and play for the first minute with slow spirals and pendulums, letting the huge flames lick all over my body. i like to let centrifugal force in my turning give momentum to the poi, and follow them without effort where they lead.
          i tend to do a lot of flowers, and lately, have found myself with an audience on all sides while performing. something i gleaned from a
          Nick Woolsey vid a while ago, is walking in a large circle, while turning around and around with compound circles...fun way to get around a stage! i like goofy flowers in particular for this, but they all work.
          • Re: Poi, style, and you.

            Wed, September 3, 2008 - 10:30 PM
            A great thought occurred to me, wile I was spinning on Shiva Vista stage at BM 08, with Audience all around me. I was doing a lot of circle walking ala Nike and Yuta. For my next burn I started with a flower ground effect. Instead of just tracing a circle on the ground with my wicks, I circle walked a lfower pattern taking up the whole stage, and it was sweet!!! Shiva Vista was definitely a good forum for spinning to an audience "in the round". Been playing with Yuta style stall > plane change combos as of late.

            -Alien Jon
  • Re: Poi, style, and you.

    Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:30 PM
    Nothin' like posting a few months late.

    I actually use a lot of movement from NYC Judson church/Release technique (I do a lot of modern/contemporary modern dance). It's sort of a mixture of 20th century modern dance techniques with a massive influence from various forms of yoga and martial arts, with a heavy world dance influence.

    Not so good with this movement style and poi, so I use a lot of staff for held poses and such. But I do love to use my poi in a similar context. Lots of fun!

    I'll be teaching a workshop this November for a meditation group in Europe. Should be awesome!

    -Birka

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