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I've been playing around with glowsticks attached to strings, but I'm finding that they are just too light, they break way to easy, and hurt far too much when they hit me....
So I've been contemplating on buying poi online perhaps... but there are so many options! I don't even know where to start.
What is the difference between sock and string poi (I mean aside from looks, which one is better for wraps and just in general learning new things...)
Another thing is that I've seen fuzzy balls on strings, are those actually any good? (www.homeofpoi.com/shop/prod...uffy-Poi). They look pretty, but they seem like they'd be super light... no?
Lastly, I've been seeing a lot of cords that have one loop and some that have two loops. Now when I spin... I have one loop but I loop it around two fingers (I hope this makes sense...) so which kind of string would you say is better to get... or which do you prefer?
So I've been contemplating on buying poi online perhaps... but there are so many options! I don't even know where to start.
What is the difference between sock and string poi (I mean aside from looks, which one is better for wraps and just in general learning new things...)
Another thing is that I've seen fuzzy balls on strings, are those actually any good? (www.homeofpoi.com/shop/prod...uffy-Poi). They look pretty, but they seem like they'd be super light... no?
Lastly, I've been seeing a lot of cords that have one loop and some that have two loops. Now when I spin... I have one loop but I loop it around two fingers (I hope this makes sense...) so which kind of string would you say is better to get... or which do you prefer?
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Re: sock vs string
Fri, October 16, 2009 - 10:28 PMi found the fuzzy poi from HOP to be too light. it depends on what you want to do, though. i prefer heavy poi because it makes learning technical moves a little easier since they fly slowly compared to light poi. you can also feel them much better with different driving styles (spin, anti-spin, extension, isolation, float, stall). light poi tend to just want to spin real fast without much consideration to your input.
if you want to keep spinning in the glowstringing style, i would recommend light poi on colecords. particularly if you want to focus on "wraps" that are more like "bounces" the way glowstringers do. sock poi tend to stall on the body instead of bounce.
otherwise, socks are the way to go. just take a latex balloon and fill it with dry beans to your desired weight, tie it off, and put it in a sock (just a regular "crew" sock, doesn't have to be a tube sock or knee-high, they will stretch out). tie a knot at the open end of the sock for a handle. this is the best poi for learning because the bean bag is gentle and easily customized for weight. you can also put another balloon in the handle filled w/ a denser material like rice (i use 1/4" steel shot in my handles, which you can get anywhere that sells hunting supplies) for a counterweight if you want to get into throws.
also, socks are very forgiving with untangling. string/colecord poi can get very frustrating when they tangle. also, i find socks easier to do tricks that intentionally tangle like air wraps and hyperloops.
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 12:46 AMlisten to nick if you haven't already: www.youtube.com/view_play_list especially this one: www.youtube.com/watch
soft, thick, heavy poi will move slower, tangle less, and not hurt you so much. I recommend going for the heavy end sock poi at fist and progressing to a lighter set as you get more comfortable with the physics. Find the less stretchy fabric too. Stretchy becomes an avoidable variable that gets in the way of my play. -
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 8:10 AMAll fire toys are extremely over-priced online, but practice poi are something that you can make with ease (i.e. no metal or wicks) at home. I would recommend starting out with tennis balls in tube socks - a much cheaper alternative. Also, you can make string poi by sewing bean bags, filling them with rice or beans and attaching them to some nylon cord. Utilize key rings for attachment. You can tie knots in the cord to adjust the length. Or just buy them if you aren't up for it - but I would stay away from the light fuzzy balls. You will never get the hang of fire poi if you work with something so light. You need to feel the weight to learn the tricks (all this is just in my opinion, of course).
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 1:12 PMThanks a bunch!!
Hmmm I was looking at water filled puffer ball (I think that's what they are called)
www.starmagic.com/catalog/1220063P.JPG
Was wondering if I can attach them to strings? They seem to have a decent weight to them.... Have any of you guys tried it? The only concer I'd have is the top rubber hook breaking... but they are super cheap... hmmm -
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 5:18 PMSock poi and string poi are both good for playing and learning with. There are differences in how they 'behave', but I don't see any advantage of one type over the other. Personally, I wouldn't pay for a fabricated set...
Easy $3 Poi Recipe:
Purchase
- fishnet stockings
- 2 small foam footballs
Do
- Take the fishnet stockings and cut off the leggings from panties
- Keep the leggings and donate the panties to a performer
- Put the balls into the leggings, and tie off at the top
Enjoy
- Hold poi at the knotted end and let the balls slide to the other end
- Spinjam
*Edit*
Feel free to replace the footballs with doggy chew toys, tennis balls, sandbags, and whatever else of similar sizes and weights. Also, feel free to use non-fishnet stockings or rope for the string/sock. The first poi that I made was with boxing gloves and shoelaceish rope.
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 7:57 PMthat would definitely break eventually. but you are on the right track. just about everyone i've spun with has been playing with poi that they made themselves (except for fire poi, but a lot of people even fabricate those themselves).
you should start w/ the tried and true: good ol' bean bags (i use black-eyed peas in latex balloons) in a pair of socks (like, actual socks for your feet). that way you have a good starting pair of poi to play with. after that, go bananas with toy making! when you break down poi to its essence, that it is a weight on a tether, you can make poi out of just about anything.
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 9:00 PMsocks... i don't see how they'd have a good handle.... you can't really wrap it around some of your fingers... -
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Re: sock vs string
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 8:08 PMSure you can!
Simply tie up the end with a half-hitch knot to prevent whatever weight is inside from falling out and to establish an end point. Pinch the knot between your thumb and middle finger, then wrap the poi over your index finger and back over the middle finger, with the poi crossing over itself by the knot. You should be able to spin your poi without your thumbs if you keep your index and middle fingers curled. -
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Re: sock vs string
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:55 AMI hate bouncy sock poi.
If you want to get rid of it, before you make your poi, soak the socks and stretch them as far as possible and let them dry that way. This only works with cotton (or other natural material) socks; not nylon or spandex. -
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Re: sock vs string
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:39 PMi love stretchy sock poi. Get a pair of tights and put some something in them....Spandex is awesome. The stretch adds a ton of dynamic.
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Re: sock vs string
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 1:29 AMif I remember the puffer ball correctly that would make an awesome poi weight. -
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Re: sock vs string
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 8:52 AMMake your own..
Take some rice, fill it into a balloon (this will help you choose your weight), tie the balloon, get a pair of tube socks, and put the balloon in the tube sock. I usually put wooden balls into the other end for counterweights, you might not need those yet but they are good to start practicing with anyways.
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Re: sock vs string
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 2:31 PMsorry, but i have to contradict this. if you ever want to use fire poi, pufferballs are no where near the realistic weight. you will have a hard time adjusting. It is ideal to be practicing and learning with the same weight as fire poi (that is, if you want to do fire - if you don't want to do fire, then use whatever is most comfortable for you) -
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Re: sock vs string
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 6:29 PMGood point about the difference in weights, but sometimes it is an advantage to use lighter weights. Try doing isolations with lightweight poi for a while, then try again with your usual set. Chances are that the movements will become easier and smoother because you had to create the muscle memory of your body movements rather than relying on feeling the momentum of the poi as much. -
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Re: sock vs string
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:32 PMI have been spinning poi for 5 years, know a ton of tricks, but I still can't get isolations down!! good point, thanks for the advice. I am going to try some lighter weight ones and see if I can't conquer that trick. Thanks Mello! -
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Re: sock vs string
Wed, November 4, 2009 - 10:14 AMAnd with my earlier comment, bouncy poi make iso's HARD to learn. i would recommend the non-springy variety for learning. -
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Re: sock vs string
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 8:15 PMi learned isolations with springy stocking poi with juggling balls in the toe. It was easy and it translated over to my wicks fine... hrm.
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