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While Fire breathing is possibly one of the most enjoyable things to do, and I'm all for sharing the joy - recently, I stumbled across two eye-brow-raising pieces on Do-it-at-home fire-breathing tutorials.
INSTRUCTABLES.COM
Grisha and I enlighten (no pun intnded) this fire-breathing tutorial page in the comments section.
www.instructables.com/id/Torc...eathing/
YouTube Fire Breathing Tutorial
www.youtube.com/watch
One of the first Youtube results for fire-breathing, this video exhibits top notch ignorance on many levels. (NB: brightly colored orange melty plastic wrapping forearms, open fuel container, no safety, highly flammable/brightly colored long hair that is let down, on-and-on-and-on). Unfortunately, it does not appear that there is a well-executed fire-breathing tutorial on the internet....
Grisha, let's talk! ;)
:D
Gabriel
INSTRUCTABLES.COM
Grisha and I enlighten (no pun intnded) this fire-breathing tutorial page in the comments section.
www.instructables.com/id/Torc...eathing/
YouTube Fire Breathing Tutorial
www.youtube.com/watch
One of the first Youtube results for fire-breathing, this video exhibits top notch ignorance on many levels. (NB: brightly colored orange melty plastic wrapping forearms, open fuel container, no safety, highly flammable/brightly colored long hair that is let down, on-and-on-and-on). Unfortunately, it does not appear that there is a well-executed fire-breathing tutorial on the internet....
Grisha, let's talk! ;)
:D
Gabriel
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Sun, November 16, 2008 - 9:41 PMHmmm those tutorials are a worry.
Though i suppose the reason there are no quality tutorials would be that any on who knew what they were talking about would probably also realise that Fire Breathing is something that should only be taught in person where constant feed back and supervision can be given. I Dare say that they also realise the legal implications if somebody gets hurt learning from their videos and don't think it is worth the risk.
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Sun, November 16, 2008 - 11:53 PMYeah, the firebreathing tribe had a big round-table about that...
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Mon, November 17, 2008 - 10:57 AMapparently both tutorials have been removed. -
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Mon, November 17, 2008 - 5:26 PMDammit, I didn't get to see them either...
What was the issue? It's got me real curious now... -
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Mon, November 17, 2008 - 6:44 PMNo, the links are broken...
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Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:13 PMare you freakin kidding me?!?!?!?! what idiots. kerosene? i mean...i'm not a fire breather/eater/whatevernot, but i've worked in a hardware store before. i would *never* sell kerosene pure or otherwise to anyone for this. now...if they came in and said they were having a luau and they said they were using it for the torches along the pool...i would have to sell it to them. does that put retail sales people at risk of lawsuits? i suppose that's more of a rhetorical question. -
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 7:06 PMCould be worse, some people spin with unleaded.
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Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:35 AMI cant believe that she has 83,000 hits!!!!! That means that someone has had to hurt them selfs because of that vid. -
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Thu, November 20, 2008 - 11:48 AMNot necessarily.
1) Myself and dozens of other firebreathers on Tribe have seen the whole series several times, in preparation to request You Tube to pull it down.
2) Cute girl factor
3) Spectator factor
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 12:07 AMHave you contacted "Expert Village" to see if they will voluntarily take it down yet? Or perhaps, you guys could do a proper one (and maybe recruit some cute girl factor) and have "Expert Village" host it (or at least a copy of it). That way, they could leave that video up, put a big ol youtube annotation covering up the whole video screen, and say "this has been replaced by a more accurate and safe instruction by Tedward" (and cute assistant girl). The annotation could also be a hyperlink directly to your new video. That way you leverage the hits the current vid has already had, for search ranking, and anyone who has already favorited it or linked to it is funneled to your accurate vid.
Can you tell I've been geeking on youtube content lately? Oh and for one more bit of youtube geekery, here is a link directly to 1 minute 14 seconds, where she sets the burning torch down right next to here open fuel! Just tack the time you want on the end of the video url in this format: #t=_m_s (for instance #t=1m14s). Enjoy: www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Fri, November 21, 2008 - 12:26 AMYeah, I think we hit about every angle.
The big part of the problem is that they want to split up videos to reduce size. That clip of her is one of an 8-part series. But the other 7 are a bitch to find. I'm sure they'd want to do something similar to anything comprehensive that we could come up with. -
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 4:57 PMi've been in on this same conversation on 'off-topic Wildfire' tribe. what a tragedy disaster waiting to happen.. but to be honest, i believe even the very best, most thoroughly safety-conscious online tutorial on fire breathing is a most terrible idea, and bound to accelerate the already way-too likely event that the wrong kid will get hurt and the entire fire arts community will see repercussions. fire breathing should be very carefully passed on, one very experienced teacher to one very ready student at a time! unlike most other fire arts which demand months of dedication to acquire skill at, anyone can be a fire god in 5 minutes...and too many are choosing that route. in my opinion, no one who is not capable and prepared to perform a tracheotomy should ever teach anyone to fire breath, and anyone who learns it should at least be made to swear on their favorite body part that they will be just as careful and thorough in passing this craft along!! i hear way too often that so and so who learned to breath last week just taught his girlfriend and now her little sister is doing it at her high school party, and teaching everyone there! its too easy to learn, and honestly, accept for a professional performance, why bother? its not like other fire artists are enjoying watching it, and no one cares to be slipping and sliding all over the spinning area at a burn. -
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Fri, November 21, 2008 - 6:50 PM...
Hmmm,
I'm torn.
First, if people see a lot of bad fire breathing, it'll make the advanced people look better.
Second, the more people breathing without training, the more Darwin Deaths from fire breathing and a sudden dip in stupid people.
Hmmmm
On the other hand, the accidents make it harder to get a permit....
... but usually only for those people who aren't particularly established.
Hmmmm
Maybe I SHOULD make a video....
"Okay kids, remember, always breathe INTO the wind, it helps get bigger fireballs"
:)
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 8:42 AMbut hell, you may have a point. it may take a death or serious accident that gets national coverage to quell the surge of popularity the fire arts and breathing in particular are experiencing.... it might even happen in time to salvage some mystique so that serious performers can continue to get paid for their craft, who knows? -
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 12:58 PMYou do realize that by "serious/established performers" Tedward is probably only referring to people who have 5+ year records of performing, with multiple government permits, and major resumes, right?
Even then, TI.aMat, as a fellow New Englander, you know what the East coast scene is like, and when people like Dom can't even get most of the local permits that she would need for her fire act, there's little hope for the rest of us.
I fear Tedwards optimism (and I apologize if this is an overstated assumption) may be only valid on the west coast, where established fire artists are accorded a certain degree of official respect. -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 3:57 PMthere may be hope for the east coast yet...apparently the Philadelphia Fire Dept. has asked the Philadelphia Fire Arts crew to help write the codes concerning fire performance in the city!
on that note though, bear in mind that the main reason for the nervousness on the part of the authorities here in New England are mostly because of a horrible pyrotechnics-gone-way-wrong fiasco in Rhode Island a while back. irresponsibility=irreputability , not just for the guilty, either. try pulling a permit for a fire act in Florida, for that matter. -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:04 PMBaz, while it's true that I didn't suffer the same problems as most fire spinners during the Great White thing, there are performers even more established than I. Some in Ren Faire who've "been doing it for years" and others who teach mostly or have tight, regular gigs that the rest of us don't hear about. Heck, Penn and Teller are sharp fire performers, well established, and not losing their permit any time soon.
No, as "established" as I am, I've still got a ways to go before seeing 'the top'. But also, that post should not be taken directly or particularly seriously. -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:32 PMHey I'm from the west coast.. Is it really that bad for permits, ect, on the east side? -
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:59 PMKeep in mind how this country was founded and how it's grown. East of the Mississippi, many buildings are very old - Victorian or earlier- Some dating back to the original constructions on the continent in the 1600s. When you talk about Los Angeles, LV, Portland, etc, an "old" building might be from the 1920s.
So, in general, the construction standards and safety measures from, say, the great Chicago Fire, we put in place from the very beginning out here. So, yes, in general, they are less concerned about massive fires out here than back east, which make it easier to get permits (except during wildfire season... ;). -
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Sun, November 23, 2008 - 6:36 AMi honestly don't think that it has as much to do with construction standards or fire safety concerns, if anything, the climate of much of the west coast offers a much greater potential for wildfires of disastrous proportions then anywhere east of the mississipi. the east has always been more conservative, while the west is more progressive, not to mention the puritan influence out here in new england. it was likely the puritan BS that prompted the brave to trek out west to begin with, and as such, it is the descendants of these most intrepid souls who founded the political basis for the western states.
on a side note, you'd be surprised how fire resistant many of the oldest structures out here really are. i am a chimney restoration mason, so i see(and have done restorations in) 300+ year old houses all the time, and you wouldn't believe some of the building methods used. many old houses are held up by their chimneys, with beams(yes, wood beams) running right through the flue! (often enough, the lintel((the top of the fireplace itself)) is actually wood!) 300 years of heating entirely with the fireplace, and you know what? those beams(being as they were, old growth chestnut or oak) are charred, but they never burned! old growth hardwood s extremely fire resistant.
don't say you didn't learn anything random today.
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Sun, November 23, 2008 - 10:05 AMthey had trouble getting permission to spin on private property, in an abandoned airport (aka the middle of nowhere) for this years NY decom -
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Re: Don't do this at home?
Sun, November 23, 2008 - 10:52 AMYeay for learning random things!
It's impossible to get a permit here in RI unless its for something which was already established before The Station tragedy. Look here if you don't know what that is:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...tclub_fire
The only legal fire performance that I know of in RI is at WaterFire in Providence and that is only because it has been going on since long before The Station thing happened. Theres a great fear around here because of it and makes it so I almost never fire play anymore, unless I travel.
As a breather and a teacher of the arts I'd like to see less people being taught to breath, its just to dangerous, and hell the less people who can do it means the cooler we look who can.
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