Best video cameras for spinning?

topic posted Thu, September 10, 2009 - 9:47 AM by  Drex
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I've been making videos pretty regularly for the past year with a Sony Cybershot still camera that has video capabilities. It's done a fine job, but I'm getting to the point that I'm a little tired of the muddy audio, crappy framerate, short battery life, and constantly wandering autofocus and am interested in getting a new camera specifically for filming firespinning and other prop spinning.

Does anybody out there have any favorites? I've found one thread on this so far in the HoP forums, but the last post was in 2005, so I'm assuming the technology has changed somewhat since then. I'd like to stay away from mini-DVD based cameras as I've had a couple nightmares arise from editing friends' videos and trying to get them from the little DVDs to computer.

Are the flip cameras any good for this sort of thing or just crap? Is a decent camera doable for under $500 US? What tricks are there for keeping things in focus? Do any lower-end camcorders have decent mics or is muddy audio just par for the course?

Thanks a lot in advance, all!
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Drex
Washington, D.C.
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  • Re: Best video cameras for spinning?

    Thu, September 10, 2009 - 11:08 AM
    hey man,
    i got a camera for x-mas last year.
    i got a Canon (HV30). i think i paid a little more than $500 though. (i think it was like 7-800)
    it is HD, and uses MiniDV tapes, not DVD's. i dont know about hard drives or mini DVD's, dont trust them.
    i dont use HD yet b/c i have nothing HD compatible.
    it has want i've wanted. (manual focus, manual light exposure.)
    its what i could afford (that wasnt 3CCD chip camera, which are about 1200, but i love 'em)

    main trick ive found for focus, is manual function...
    you get your subject in focus before you shoot, and then it stays at the focus depth you set it to.
    main prob with my cam though, is the mic is located on the top aiming upward. why? i dunno.
    what i do, is when i edit the video, i bring in the same song they spun to, and i layer it over the footage and mute the recorded music.
    cant hear the fire, but it works for me...
    this are from my camera. (i dont think this is with HD)
    www.youtube.com/watch
    this were before i started using the exposure functions. Plus youtube seems to change the way my videos look when they're put up.
    i also added a couple of tiki torches afterwards to give a little more ambient light.

    but its fairly smooth, (when i spin fast, it looks like its going fast and not like a strobing pin-wheel) if you know what i mean by saying that.
    hope that helps you out a lil, man.
    i'd say: look for manual focusing, and manual exposure functions.
    i will probably be trying a Sony handy cam soon, from a friend. and i can let you know how that comes out as well.
    he's wanting to sell it anyway. (b/c he just never uses it.)

    so yea, there.
    hows it been since the inaugural ball?
    met you out there, although we never really talked.

    be well.
    -matalvin-
    • Re: Best video cameras for spinning?

      Sun, September 13, 2009 - 11:01 AM
      I have the next version up from this, the Canon HV40, and I've used it to film fire poi. The fire looks beautiful in HD if it is lit well and in focus. Manually focusing it is a must and is pretty easy, and if you want to hear the fire/music better you can just buy an external microphone to add to it because the built in mic really sucks (as do most built in mics on non-professional cameras). I got a decent external mic for around $50 bucks. I find that you have to add a bit more background light to be able to see the subject spinning fire. You might be able to find the first version of the camera, the Canon HV20, for $500 or less. It has almost all of the same capabilities as the later versions. Mine was about $800. Worth it, though. I also use a wide angle lens, which helps because sometimes with fire poi, you have to have the camera really far away to be able to see everything that you're doing, but with the added lens you don't.

      You can download trial versions of pretty basic editing programs with HD capabilities as well (Sony Vegas Platinum, Adobe Premiere Elements, or the professional versions of those programs), if you can't afford to buy them. And if you're a nerd you can quite simply crack into them and get the full version without paying for it. I find that it's better to put the music in afterwards in post-production, rather than use the audio that comes straight from the camera.

      Sony Handycams are okay, but compared to the Canon HV's they suck. Plus most of them are touch screen, and I find that manually focusing with a touch screen is kind of annoying. The colors they produce are not nearly as rich and bold as with the HV (or any HD) cameras. But then again, you can always make crappy desaturated colors look much better in post production anyway.

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